![]() This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at for further information. SHAPIRO: NPR's Michaeleen Doucleff, thank you.Ĭopyright © 2021 NPR. And if it didn't go back in, we would have stepped to one side and said, we cannot sign off on this, and we're going to have to release our own report.ĭOUCLEFF: Daszak notes that the team unanimously agrees on the main conclusion of the report, and that's that it came from a bat to an animal and then somehow made its way to Wuhan. If there was political interference with what we're trying to say or someone removed a section that we disagreed with, no, we would push back. PETER DASZAK: Our voices are independent. He pointed out that the members of this investigation are not actually working for WHO. But one of the members of the WHO team, Peter Daszak - he's a disease ecologist. You know, there's concern that WHO is underplaying and not fully pursuing this lab leak theory because they are catering to the Chinese government. If the virus didn't originate at that seafood market and it's unlikely that it originated in a lab - which is a theory that some, including former CDC director Robert Redfield, floated - I mean, tell us more about where this leaves us.ĭOUCLEFF: Well, you know, I mean, there's been some criticism of the WHO with this report. SHAPIRO: In a way, it sounds like this raises more questions than it answers. Finally, Ari, the report will also say that it's extremely unlikely that the virus leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology - not impossible but unlikely. These farms are a potential source of that first spillover, and the Chinese government abruptly closed these farms after the pandemic began. 3 - not impossible but low probability.ĭOUCLEFF: The report will also call for investigation into farms in southern China that breed exotic wildlife. The virus brought to Wuhan by a human, by animal or by frozen food. He was part of the investigation, and he says now the big question is, how did the virus get to Wuhan? Linfa Wang is a virologist at Duke-NUS Medical School. The team found that COVID was already circulating in Wuhan when a big outbreak occurred at the market in late 2019. This had been the thinking since some of the earliest cases were found there, but - now, Ari, this is huge. But the report will say that this spillover did not happen at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan. The report will say that the pandemic likely began when a bat virus spilled over into another animal and then into people, and we've known that for a while. Tell us what's going to be in it.ĭOUCLEFF: Yeah. SHAPIRO: Now, you got some early insight into what the report found. And they interviewed scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology who studied bat coronaviruses. They talked to the first known patients, visited the Huanan Seafood Market, where an early outbreak occurred. And they were there to try to find new information about these - the early days of the outbreak. That's the city where the first cases were detected. And they had about two weeks on the ground in Wuhan. The team included scientists from all over the world - about 19 - but also scientists inside China and Chinese officials. SHAPIRO: To start with, tell us about who did this investigation and how they looked into the origins of this disease.ĭOUCLEFF: Yeah. To tell us about what's in that report, we're joined by global health correspondent Michaeleen Doucleff. The goal was to try to pinpoint where and how the outbreak started. ![]() Tomorrow the World Health Organization is expected to release a long-awaited report about its investigation into the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic.
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